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Tuesday, July 29, 2008

 
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I have not had much opportunity lately to write, nor have I had occasion to do so since we have mined out so many apologetic topics here. In fact, the myriads of equestrian corpses with post mortum blunt trauma wounds are stacked so high that it is likely to drive away all but the most determined apologist, Catholic or Protestant.

But recently, I have seen something come up more than once which really drives me to ire and is something I have decided to address. The broader topic is the Catholic practise of closed communion, something that has been practised in the Church since the earliest days. And in spite of the many objections often made by Protestants, the fact is that all but the tiniest minority of Protestants practise it. Protestants will not hesitate to bar Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mohammedans, &c. from their table. True, most Protestants would allow fellow Protestants to commune with them, but they all (with the exception of the extremely liberal Episcopalians) draw the line somewhere.

Nevertheless, these same Protestants, when confronted with the Catholic practise of closed communion, object vehemently, insisting that all Christians should be allowed to take the Sacred Host at a Catholic Mass. What is their reasoning? Most of them insist that we are all part of the same religion and therefore should all share the same Sacraments. Following this line of reasoning, all baptised peoples should be equally admitted at everybody’s version of the Eucharist, be they Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Catholic, Orthodox, &c.

But from the earliest days of the Church, there were many people who possessed valid baptisms who were denied the Catholic Sacraments for their unreconciled public sins or their association with hereticks or schismatics. The ancient teaching of One, Holy, Catholick, and Apostolick Church is foundational to understanding this. Not everybody who is baptised is automatically in the Church regardless of what he believes or does. And despite what the Protestant and Catholic false œcumenists say, the Catholic religion and the Protestant religion are not the same religion. As if this needed demonstration, here are a list of things that the few Protestants I have in mind most assuredly reject in the teachings of the Catholic Church:

  • We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff. [Unam Sanctam]
  • We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the Blessed Virgin Mary, at the first instant of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace of the Omnipotent God, in virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of mankind, was preserved immaculate from all stain of original sin, has been revealed by God, and therefore should firmly and constantly be believed by all the faithful. [Fulgens Corona]
  • We teach and define that it is a dogma Divinely revealed that the Roman pontiff when he speaks ex cathedra, that is when in discharge of the office of pastor and doctor of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, by the Divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, is possessed of that infallibility with which the Divine Redeemer willed that his Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals, and that therefore such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves and not from the consent of the Church irreformable. [Pastor Æternus]
  • There is one Universal Church of the faithful, outside of which there is absolutely no salvation. In which there is the same priest and sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the forms of bread and wine; the bread being changed (transsubstantiatio) by divine power into the body, and the wine into the blood, so that to realize the mystery of unity we may receive of Him what He has received of us. And this sacrament no one can effect except the priest who has been duly ordained in accordance with the keys of the Church, which Jesus Christ Himself gave to the Apostles and their successors. [Fourth Lateran Council]
  • By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory. [Constitution Munificentissimus Deus]
  • An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints. [Catechism of the Catholic Church]

Now these doctrines are not mere side issues. These doctrines are central to salvation, dogma, truth, and the person of Christ. These are issues over which Catholics and Protestants disagree substantially and cannot be brushed aside as irrelevant or unimportant. One question immediately comes to mind. Why in the world would a Protestant who denies such things vociferously even want to have Sacraments from a religion who believed and taught all of these things, and taught that they must be believed for salvation?

One such Protestant, Jon Amos, writes:

I tend to think as charitably as possible of [Catholics]…to the extent that I try to forget that there are actually Catholics out there, like you, who zealously cling to the worst and most dangerous-to-body-and-soul of Catholic errors.

Of course, part of being a Catholic is believing what the Catholic Church teaches. If I wanted to be a Protestant, I would not have gone through the trouble of being reconciled to the Church. According to Mr. Amos, however, the only truly faithful Catholics are those who reject the Church’s teachings. For more on this, read his comment here.

Mr. Amos continues:

That said, my position is and has been for some time that Holy Communion is what it is, regardless of what Catholics say it is or believe it to be. And it’s for this reason that I receive without hesitation whenever I go to a Catholic Mass (rare as that may be). I know it’s against the rules, but the rules are against Jesus’s rules, so screw them. I also know that there are probably folks there (including even maybe the priest) who, like you, are wilfully committing idolatry, but that doesn’t make the Mass idolatry, just as an idolater performing Holy Baptism doesn't make the Baptism idolatry.

It is hardly even believable. This man obviously has little respect for the Catholic faith, less respect for Catholics who actually take their faith seriously, and finally, no respect for the laws of the Church. Now I ask you, why would any such soul who had so much scorn for the Catholic Church want anything to do with the Catholic Mass? Let us suppose that Jon Amos is correct and that the Catholic Church teaches bad and dangerous “body-and-soul” heresies, and that Catholics are idolaters as he believes. Where does Jesus ever say that you should involve yourself in the rituals of idolatrous hereticks?

He does not believe what the Catholic Church teaches, neither about herself, nor about the Sacraments, nor about salvation, nor about anything. Yet he insists that the Catholic Mass is “Jesus’ meal” and that both he and every other soul on the planet are entitled to eat it. Why does he even think it is the same religion as his? On a side note, I wonder why he just does not become Catholic if the “faithful” Catholics reject the Church’s teachings? Of course, I know why – he does not believe the teachings of the Church and obviously acknowledges the folly of joining a religion with which you do not agree. So why he continues to insist that the Catholic Church is the same religion as his is beyond me. By his own words, they are not even close.

If my church is celebrating the meal that Jesus instituted for His whole church and you can’t receive with us, our divisions are being deepened, not healed. Our Lord has given us this wonderful sacrament - a meal that is (among many other things) powerfully, mysteriously unifying, but, no, we know better than Him. What a shame. If it's Jesus’ meal for all of His people, and if we recognize one another as brethren, we must be able to commune together.

This is what continues to baffle me. The Catholics do not think that you are part of His people, and historically Protestants have denied that Catholics are part of His people. There is one tiny minority here, a veritable church-of-one that has asserted his own authority in all these matters, declaring that what he believes and only what he believes are “Jesus’ rules” and that all others are guilty of dividing the Church.

What the Catholics think of the Sacrament is extremely different from what he thinks it is, yet he continues to insist that they are really the same. And amidst all this inane double-talk is the absurd claim that everything he is espousing is really Jesus’ teaching.

Yet Mr. Amos insists, against every rational cue:

…if the priest won’t serve me, I’ll go get in another line, mumbling to myself, “Bullshit. This is not your table, man. This is Jesus’ table.”

One thing here is for sure: it is not your table either, Mr. Amos. The priest who denies you the Sacred Host is merely being faithful to his bishops and to his Church. By your theft of the Host, you are not being faithful to anyone or anything other than your own precepts, which have no place in the history of the Church and no place in Catholic theology.

I do not expect you to become Catholic, or to change your position on the Church, or anything else. But if the Catholic Church does not allow you to receive her Sacraments because you are not Catholic, the absolute very least you could do is show some decency and some respect for the Church. Your ecclesial community probably does not allow its own share of things in its liturgy. I would never dream of showing up to disrupt your worship in any way, or do things contrary to what your sect allows. I may not agree with anything which your sect does, but interfering with another person’s religion is just rude.

Stealing the hosts may make you a progressive in your own mind, but it does nothing to further Church unity. If you want unity in the Church, pray for unity and encourage your bishops to seek dialogue with the Catholic Church. Please do not profane Catholic Sacraments as a means to unity. There are legitimate means to promote unity amongst Christians. This is not one of them.

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I saw the word "canibus" and was like "whaa?" And then realized it was Latin. :)
Posted 7/29/2008 3:47 PM by kriegerwulff - reply

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@kriegerwulff - 

Of course, that would have been "cannabis", but it's still pretty funny. Imagine that - a post about "holy weed". :D
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a post about holy weed AND holy margaritas all in one.
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 In fact, the myriads of equestrian corpses with post mortum blunt trauma wounds are stacked so high

LOL!  I love you Dave.

The Aquilina book is handy isn't it?  It was one of the first books I read after deciding to become Catholic, and my first extended exposure to patristic sacramentology.

Posted 7/29/2008 5:37 PM by Saint_Athanasius - reply

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@PistachioChocolateWife - 

I tell ya, its a regular party at Dave's site...

{{feels really bad that he started this comment section of with such frivolous comments}}

I just went and read the entire thread that you linked, and I have to say...why would any Protestant *want* to partake of the Roman communion? That really just baffles me.
Posted 7/29/2008 5:39 PM by kriegerwulff - reply

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I like this.  "There is one tiny minority here, a veritable church-of-one that has asserted his own authority in all these matters, declaring that what he believes and only what he believes are “Jesus’ rules” and that all others are guilty of dividing the Church."

This is so true!  There is a remnant, there is love and there is G-d.  It doesn't matter what bullies are out there.  Freedom to interpret one's own bible and consult the H-ly Sp-rit is a basic tenant of Chr-stianity.  For this is why G-d breath the bible through all his prophets, the stubborness of man in general and his insistance of doing it "Man's" way.

And this was also great, "I would never dream of showing up to disrupt your worship in any way, or do things contrary to what your sect allows. I may not agree with anything which your sect does, but interfering with another person’s religion is just rude."

I neither Dave, I neither.  Where is the desire for fellowship with brothers and sisters in Chr-st with these people?  I believe G-d will hold them accountable for the wagging of their tongues against their brothers and sisters.  They wag them like a snake they do!

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Freedom to interpret one's own bible and consult the H-ly Sp-rit is a basic tenant of Chr-stianity.

2 Peter 3:16:  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.  (emphasis mine)

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@Saint_Athanasius - 

I really liked the Aquilina book. Of course, some of the content I was already aware of, but there was also a ton of stuff I never heard anywhere. He certainly did his homework, though he does favour the Novus Ordo quite heavily.

@kriegerwulff - 

"why would any Protestant *want* to partake of the Roman communion?"

Exactly. I can't wrap my head around it. Well, I can in some sense understand an œcumenically minded Protestant wanting to do so, but when you read what he says about how stupid and evil Catholicism is, that's what really baffles me.

@RobertLeeRE - 

"Freedom to interpret one's own bible and consult the H-ly Sp-rit is a basic tenant of Chr-stianity."

Hi Robert, thanks for your thoughts. As regards this statement, I disagree. I think that such a freedom is a basic tenet of Protestantism, but historically Christianity was defined by the dogmatic acts of Popes, Councils, and Bishops. Allowing individuals to determine what the Bible says in any way more than mere speculation leads eventually to chaos.

But I think your greater point here - in reference to the post - is understandable and that is that I would never dream of telling a person in a different religion what he had to believe in order to be faithful to his religion. Nor would I attempt to force my beliefs on somebody else of a different sect as a way to fuse two different sects together. That simply doesn't work. Stealing the Sacrament from a Catholic priest as a way of promoting unity is bogus and even if he doesn't see it as blasphemous and profane, he at least ought to understand that it's just rude if nothing else at all.
Posted 7/30/2008 7:41 AM by MysteriumFidei - reply

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AWESOME! 

I'm recommending this post.

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                          Ahh yes, I forgot that difference between Cathlocism and Protestantism.  Never the less I gave you the protestant view to make my point why we "good protestants" would never consider such a thing.  But there is a great deal of evidence why this is a good rule coming from Catholics.  There are so many protestant cults and all.

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I keep trying to comment, but I keep getting the heave-ho.  Hopefully this one will take...

This is another wonderful post, Dave.  You have a great knack for hitting the nail on the head.

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In our church (Conservative Baptist), we practice open communion and the recipient's status in relationship to God is determined completely by the recipient. It's not really an issue, because we don't believe that the elements change into anything else during the celebration of communion. It doesn't impact the rest of the fellowship if someone who is not in the right relationship with God participates.

Since Catholics believe that transubstantiation occurs, I do not participate in communion in a Catholic church out of respect for that belief. I do, however, participate in Communion with an ecumenical community that includes Catholics. The feeling there seems to be that the elements are whatever they are to the individual, whether Catholic (transubstantiation), Lutheran (elements contain Spirit), or Baptist (symbols only). The focus of the community is the Good News that brings us together. We try to ignore sectarian differences as much as possible.
Posted 7/30/2008 3:21 PM by Monastro - reply

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I don't really have a comment about the post, though I read it with interest. Good stuff.

@kriegerwulff - Yeah, me too. Then I saw "margaritas" and got really excited.

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@Monastro - 

Monastro, you are correct to point out that the principle of closed communion is tied heavily to the belief in transubstantiation. If nothing happens to the elements, no harm is done if anybody else happens to get the bread or the wine.

However, Catholics are forbidden to engage in any Protestant worship service, specifically we are required to abstain from Protestant rites and rituals, namely communion. Obviously, it isn't your fault that these Catholics are engaging in these non-Catholic rituals, but they ought not do it.

And although I wish all Christians were one body, we cannot ignore the differences that separate many of us. It is true that we all are united in our beliefs about Christ's death and His Resurrection, but we do not agree on how these things become eternal life for us. For the Catholic Church, these things are made effectual to us through the Sacraments which are generally provided by a priest. For non-Catholics, salvation is more of a subjective experience that is willed by the would-be recipient.

I am glad you came to share your thoughts. I hope you do not regret posting here.
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Fantastic post.

In Christ, and for the gospel of the kingdom,
Brett

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Thank you for the comments on my blog.

And despite what the Protestant and Catholic false œcumenists say, the Catholic religion and the Protestant religion are not the same religion.

Indeed!

You made an interesting statement here:

For non-Catholics, salvation is more of a subjective experience that is willed by the would-be recipient.

And how is that any different from Catholics? Do you not "will" to take the sacraments? And how exactly is salvation not subjective? Aren't YOU the one being saved?

Keith
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Hi Keith, and thanks for dropping by.

I do indeed will to take the Sacraments, but God has willed to save His Church through the Sacraments. For non-Catholics, they say the sinners' prayer and will their salvation through that rather than through the God-appointed means of the Sacraments. And whether or not one is actually saved is reduced a singular subjective experience rather than an objective action of God.

I hear many Protestants say, "I asked God into my heart on that day and received a peace from God." But is this how salvation actually occurs? Or is that just the subjective opinion of an individual? A Catholic says, "I was baptised on this day," knowing that with that baptism came the forgiveness of sins. But we sin even after our baptisms which requires us to confess our sins. And when the priest says that our sins have been forgiven, we can leave the confessional knowing full well that we have been forgiven as soon as the priest utters the words, "I absolve thee..." according to the power granted to him by Jesus Christ. In this Sacrament, we have found forgiveness of sins and hence, our salvation. If we confessed our sins truly and withheld nothing, we can objectively know our salvation. We can objectively know whether or not we are in a state of grace.

But the Protestant does not have any such objective means for determining his salvation, because he does not believe that the Sacraments actually are the cause of his salvation. He does not have any objective acts of God to which he can point to say, "Yes, I am saved." He can only put his faith in how how feels about his salvation, and ultimately this salvation that he has boils down to what he willed himself to receive when he said the sinners' prayer or when he threw the pine cone into the bonfire at Calvary Teenage Campground Retreat in 1976.

The Sacraments which were instituted by Christ are primarily acts of God Himself, not of man. For this reason you cannot baptise yourself. You must be baptised by somebody else. When the priest administers the Sacraments, he does so not of himself, but on behalf of God. The priest is just the vessel through whom God delivers His graces.

So yes, I am the one being saved when I take the Sacraments, but my salvation is objectively dependent upon them and my faith when I receive them.
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an you explain more on this : By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory. [Constitution Munificentissimus Deus]? Especially on Apostles Peter and Paul and "a divinely revealed dogma"? I know it follows from a complex system of teaching, I understand the system even if I agree it or not, but I wanted more on the divine revelation reference. Is it a general one or a special reference of revelation?
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The pope was referring to a special divine revelation regarding the person of Mary and how she is to be viewed in salvation history. Since we believe that Mary is in Heaven, interceding for us, after having been crowned the Queen of Heaven by Jesus Christ, and since we believe her to be without sin, it follows that upon her completion of her earthly life, God took her into Heaven directly. This also happened to other souls who walked with God (like Enoch and Elijah). What the pope is saying is that the authority of the Church's Sacred Tradition regarding her assumption is all that is needed to declare this to be a dogma.

I don't know if this helps. I'm not really well read on some of the more difficult Marian dogmas.
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I do indeed will to take the Sacraments

Exactly.

For non-Catholics, they say the sinners' prayer and will their salvation through that

We do?

But is this how salvation actually occurs?

No. First of all, you *should* be referring to justification in this instance. Salvation refers to the entire Christian experience, from regeneration to sanctification to glorification. Of all course, all those who are justified have been saved (regeneration), are being saved (sanctification), and will be saved (glorification). Anyway, I am justified by grace through faith in what Jesus Christ did in history.

I agree that your means of attaining salvation is objective---it just isn't biblical.

Keith
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"Exactly."

I do will to take the Sacraments, but the efficacy of the Sacrament is not dependent on my will, but on the promises of God.

"We do?"

Yes, for the most part, Protestant soteriology is completely removed from the Sacraments which are nothing more than memorials or symbols.

"I agree that your means of attaining salvation is objective---it just isn't biblical."

It is quite biblical. That baptism forgives sins, saves us, and is necessary for salvation is one of the easiest things to prove from the Bible. That the Eucharist is saves us, gives us life, and is necessary for salvation is just as easy to prove from the Bible. That confession of sin to a successor of the Apostles is necessary to receive absolution and salvation is also easy to prove from the Bible. The Sacraments are so incredibly evident from the Bible and the version of salvation taught by Protestants is so foreign to the Scriptures that I scarcely wonder sometimes why they insist on calling themselves "Bible Christians" when most the ways they talk about salvation are opposed to what the Scriptures teach.

Choosing Jesus as your "personal Lord and Saviour" is a concept that has no basis in the Bible, but how many Protestants will tell you that this is what you must do to be saved? And how is choosing Jesus in this manner anything other than a willing of one's own salvation through non-biblical means?
Posted 8/6/2008 12:34 PM by MysteriumFidei - reply

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Good post. First of all, one must decide and will to believe all that the Catholic Church teaches as necessary to salvation. Even when we do not fully understand, we must believe: this is called FAITH. "Without Faith it is impossible to please God etc...". The cradle Protestant treating the catholic Religion like some sort of scientific or literary experiment which they subject to some inscrutable philosophical or intellectual criteria of their own and producing a furrit or agin it decision based on these subjective personal foibles is sure to come out agin it. Protestantism has a great appeal for those who wish to create a religion in their own image, with a God who meets their needs; and when God stops meeting their needs in one church they can hop to another church where they "feel more at home".

Until one has committed themselves - taken a leap of faith and jumped off the cliff - they have no credibility: they are like the consultants people hire to design a bridge, but who wouldn't know how to weld a seam or pound a rivet to save their soul. Likewise a Protestant commenting on Catholic Faith and Praxis. Credo ut intelligam applies as always. Belief precedes full comprehension. The Protestant notion that one must totally understand what they believe to the last iota serves only to dumb down belief to kindergarten levels...so people can "fully understand", Protestants just chop off about 90% of what Christians once universally held to be true. They serve a nice easy to understand God, one who is "just my size"  a good buddy, with all the icky mysterious esoteric stuff safely trimmed away and sterilised. The Saints, Mary, anything that requires deep study and struggle to embrace is rejected as "too hard" to prove from scripture (seeing as we have stupified our Bibles and chopped out all the hard books and we never read the little bit we have left except a few bits of Paul's epistles...the bits that line up with our theology). The good Protestant can safely say that they "have a personal relationship with Jesus" (or at least they can say it when they FEEL like this is true...) and they have a perfect grasp of their withered and dwarfed belief system based on their own narrow reading of scripture and their own listening to the "Spirit" who gives them special revelations confirming their prejudices.

I compare it to two people entering a building. One man enters through a small and narrow doorway, bumping his head, and finds himself in a surprisingly spacious lobby, going on he passes through another door, and finds himself in a larger waiting room. he continues on in this fashion passing through countless doors and always finding himself in a room larger than the one before, until at last he stands on an endless plain, with walls so distant and a ceiling so far above that it is as if he was outdoors. Th light is like nothing ever seen before. He has arrived at the edge of the abyss of glory and eternity, and realises there is infinitely more to discover - he is free and races joyfully forward...he has found the Throne Room...

The other man enters through double swinging glass doors and finds himself in an almost shopping mall sized corridor. Going on he passses through a wide archway and finds himself in smaller waiting room. Going on a passing through many doors he finds himself in rooms of decreasing size and height until he is scrambling through a narrow crevice into a dark closet which has no visible exit. He has finally figured out all there is to know of Protestantism. He weeps...

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Great post Dave. I do like dropping by here; if only to read your work and the subsequent discussion, since theological debates are not my cup of tea and my Catholic faith is simple but pious (I hope!).

Oh and Robert Lee what is with the use of jewish term; 'G-d' let alone 'Chr-st'? Forgive the pejorative but you may as well go about using Ha-Shem whilst reading the Tanakh.

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